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	<title>Comments on: Joe the Plumber: Making Obama Look Very Good</title>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe the Plumber is likely a real dumbass.

He likely prefers to be paid in cash to avoid taxes altogether. He likely comes to work at noon nursing a hangover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe the Plumber is likely a real dumbass.</p>
<p>He likely prefers to be paid in cash to avoid taxes altogether. He likely comes to work at noon nursing a hangover.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain wants to continue to spread the wealth up to the big businesses and special interests though tax breaks and special deals. I noticed that although Sarah and Todd made $160,000 last year, they are in the 15% bracket. Most people who are et that income level know enough to avoid quite a bit of standard tax rates. Maybe Sarah could advise Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain wants to continue to spread the wealth up to the big businesses and special interests though tax breaks and special deals. I noticed that although Sarah and Todd made $160,000 last year, they are in the 15% bracket. Most people who are et that income level know enough to avoid quite a bit of standard tax rates. Maybe Sarah could advise Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused. Bush has been in office 8 yrs. Mccain&#039;s &quot;Tax Plan&quot; mirrors Bush&#039;s. The bottom of the economy is falling out and unemployment is sky rocketing... now. Bush is still in office, not Obama, and Obama&#039;s the one with the Tax Plan that will kill jobs? Am i Missing something? Are not jobs killed already? Aint the last 8 years proof that this kind of trickle down economics does not work?... The Obama administration basically seems to be the Clinton administration without a Clinton. All the same people... Compare the economy during the Clinton years to the economy over the past 7 years. This is what I am basing my vote on. My personal life experiences and what seems to be common sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused. Bush has been in office 8 yrs. Mccain&#8217;s &#8220;Tax Plan&#8221; mirrors Bush&#8217;s. The bottom of the economy is falling out and unemployment is sky rocketing&#8230; now. Bush is still in office, not Obama, and Obama&#8217;s the one with the Tax Plan that will kill jobs? Am i Missing something? Are not jobs killed already? Aint the last 8 years proof that this kind of trickle down economics does not work?&#8230; The Obama administration basically seems to be the Clinton administration without a Clinton. All the same people&#8230; Compare the economy during the Clinton years to the economy over the past 7 years. This is what I am basing my vote on. My personal life experiences and what seems to be common sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike the Electrician</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike the Electrician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s income redistribution plan will work fine. The money will just make it back to the government anyways, in the form of luxury taxes on liquor, cigarettes, and lottery tickets. Now if we can get Medicaid to pay for abortions, we will be on the right track... Abortions are cheaper then 17 yrs of welfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s income redistribution plan will work fine. The money will just make it back to the government anyways, in the form of luxury taxes on liquor, cigarettes, and lottery tickets. Now if we can get Medicaid to pay for abortions, we will be on the right track&#8230; Abortions are cheaper then 17 yrs of welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it everyone acts as though Obamathugs are coming to take your pay check and hand it to the crack head on the corner? HE SAID A TAX CUT FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS and that the people making the most money would have to shoulder a bit more. That means if you make over ONE QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, you may see an increase in your taxes. 

And oh, BTW?? Joe the Plumber? A Keating relative. Not something the McCain camp wants out---that he&#039;s still hangin with the homeboys that got him in that little scuffle with the ethics committee. He was a plant from the first---how else were they going to have photographers take pictures of him WATCHING the debate as his name was mentioned OVER AND OVER AND OVER---you know, the thing you do when you are trying to implant propaganda into the minds of the masses? 

McCain will finish the job of destroying us that Bush started---Palin wants to not only silence your choices, but also your reading material---McCain&#039;s transition team includes Lobbyists for Saddam Hussein, Freddy Mac and a plethora of scandals. Yeah, you&#039;ll know their names, alright---you&#039;ll know them because they&#039;ll suck the very life out of the planet and call it democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it everyone acts as though Obamathugs are coming to take your pay check and hand it to the crack head on the corner? HE SAID A TAX CUT FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS and that the people making the most money would have to shoulder a bit more. That means if you make over ONE QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, you may see an increase in your taxes. </p>
<p>And oh, BTW?? Joe the Plumber? A Keating relative. Not something the McCain camp wants out&#8212;that he&#8217;s still hangin with the homeboys that got him in that little scuffle with the ethics committee. He was a plant from the first&#8212;how else were they going to have photographers take pictures of him WATCHING the debate as his name was mentioned OVER AND OVER AND OVER&#8212;you know, the thing you do when you are trying to implant propaganda into the minds of the masses? </p>
<p>McCain will finish the job of destroying us that Bush started&#8212;Palin wants to not only silence your choices, but also your reading material&#8212;McCain&#8217;s transition team includes Lobbyists for Saddam Hussein, Freddy Mac and a plethora of scandals. Yeah, you&#8217;ll know their names, alright&#8212;you&#8217;ll know them because they&#8217;ll suck the very life out of the planet and call it democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: genghishitler</title>
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		<dc:creator>genghishitler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Mike.

Clutch raises a good, and I think outcome-determinative, point. Neither McCain nor Obama wants to do away with the progressive, marginal income tax system. 

Yes, taxation is about redistributing wealth. Always has been, always will be. Kudos to Obama for having the stones to say it. Keep in mind that the wealth gets redistributed to items such as the military. Where do you think we got (and will continue to get) the money for the multi-trillion dollar Iraq debacle that McCain apparently wants to continue indefinitely?

So, then, our choice is between two different brands of &quot;socialism.&quot; [Everyone&#039;s been using that word incorrectly in recent days, and so will I.] Under Obama&#039;s brand anyone making under $250,000 per year gets a tax cut. Under McCain&#039;s brand, everyone who gets health insurance coverage through employment gets a big tax increase. That choice is a no-brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Mike.</p>
<p>Clutch raises a good, and I think outcome-determinative, point. Neither McCain nor Obama wants to do away with the progressive, marginal income tax system. </p>
<p>Yes, taxation is about redistributing wealth. Always has been, always will be. Kudos to Obama for having the stones to say it. Keep in mind that the wealth gets redistributed to items such as the military. Where do you think we got (and will continue to get) the money for the multi-trillion dollar Iraq debacle that McCain apparently wants to continue indefinitely?</p>
<p>So, then, our choice is between two different brands of &#8220;socialism.&#8221; [Everyone's been using that word incorrectly in recent days, and so will I.] Under Obama&#8217;s brand anyone making under $250,000 per year gets a tax cut. Under McCain&#8217;s brand, everyone who gets health insurance coverage through employment gets a big tax increase. That choice is a no-brainer.</p>
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		<title>By: Clutch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mike brown:  &quot;Bottom line that socialist talk that socialist leanings that socialism bottom line.&quot;

...socialists something socialist.

But seriously.  Sorry, I couldn&#039;t figure out how that particular sentence was supposed to inform the reader.

&quot;OBAMA that said he wanted to redistribute wealth and “spread it around” if you want socialism vote obama… if not try mccain.&quot;

Since both Obama and McCain, like every sane American politician in living memory, propose to continue using a progressive tax scheme to redistribute wealth, it&#039;s hard to fathom what your point is.  McCain is a somewhat less committed socialist than Obama, maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mike brown:  &#8220;Bottom line that socialist talk that socialist leanings that socialism bottom line.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;socialists something socialist.</p>
<p>But seriously.  Sorry, I couldn&#8217;t figure out how that particular sentence was supposed to inform the reader.</p>
<p>&#8220;OBAMA that said he wanted to redistribute wealth and “spread it around” if you want socialism vote obama… if not try mccain.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since both Obama and McCain, like every sane American politician in living memory, propose to continue using a progressive tax scheme to redistribute wealth, it&#8217;s hard to fathom what your point is.  McCain is a somewhat less committed socialist than Obama, maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: mike brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This guy walks up from nowhere with a specfic question for the contender and then he is referenced exhaustively by the GOP and disreputable media outlets as example and photo op.&quot; 

If I recall Sara Palin got ambushed the exact same way all she said was that Mccain would do what had to be done and the media made it sound like she was siding with Obama (why that&#039;s important or news that a vp might have a different opinion is beyond me) Yet here we have joe doing the exact same thing and its all about how joe or non joe is a plant (by the way my fathers middle name is gene and he is called gene by everyone) The point is that obama spoke of &quot;wealth redistribution&quot;.. Bottom line that socialist talk that socialist leanings that socialism bottom line. complain, point fingers dig up dirt on joe do what you want but it was OBAMA that said he wanted to redistribute wealth and &quot;spread it around&quot; if you want socialism vote obama... if not try mccain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This guy walks up from nowhere with a specfic question for the contender and then he is referenced exhaustively by the GOP and disreputable media outlets as example and photo op.&#8221; </p>
<p>If I recall Sara Palin got ambushed the exact same way all she said was that Mccain would do what had to be done and the media made it sound like she was siding with Obama (why that&#8217;s important or news that a vp might have a different opinion is beyond me) Yet here we have joe doing the exact same thing and its all about how joe or non joe is a plant (by the way my fathers middle name is gene and he is called gene by everyone) The point is that obama spoke of &#8220;wealth redistribution&#8221;.. Bottom line that socialist talk that socialist leanings that socialism bottom line. complain, point fingers dig up dirt on joe do what you want but it was OBAMA that said he wanted to redistribute wealth and &#8220;spread it around&#8221; if you want socialism vote obama&#8230; if not try mccain.</p>
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		<title>By: genghishitler</title>
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		<dc:creator>genghishitler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, TS. As I understand it, the story that Samuel the Non-Plumber is related to Robert Wurzelbacher looks to be a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/144920/88/884/632709&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hoax&lt;/a&gt;. You&#039;re quite right in the larger sense, though: this who situation does indeed smell plenty fishy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, TS. As I understand it, the story that Samuel the Non-Plumber is related to Robert Wurzelbacher looks to be a <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/144920/88/884/632709" rel="nofollow">hoax</a>. You&#8217;re quite right in the larger sense, though: this who situation does indeed smell plenty fishy.</p>
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		<title>By: TS</title>
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		<dc:creator>TS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So he has the money to buy a Quarter of a million dollar company but he is not going to buy it because he will pay 3% more in taxes??  He actually will lose out on $250,000 because he will pay maybe $7k more in taxes? When did middle America average JOE make $250,000 in a year!!!  He owes back taxes now, his home is ‘modest’ but he can afford a loan to buy this company?  AND does the company PROFIT $250,000 or GROSS $250,000???  If the company grosses $250,000 then with all the legal tax deductions his PROFIT is much less and he will receive the OBAMA tax break!!  IF the company PROFITS $250,000 then he SHOULD pay more taxes as the company probably grossed over $6 million.

This is starting to smell funny. This guy walks up from nowhere with a specfic question for the contender and then he is referenced exhaustively by the GOP and disreputable media outlets as example and photo op. If it were a thinly veiled ploy (and its starting to look that way), the level of sophistication of Ohio GOP operatives leaves much to be desired, as well as the notion that the constituancy would be unable to access or consume this bit of Theatre of the Absurd and recognize it as such. John needed a Joe Sixpack so Joe the Plummer was created, manufactured, packaged, bought and sold.

Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

This is by no means a causal relation, but Joe is a tool, toilet paper in the GOP bathroom as he would allow himself to aggregiously used without being informed.  This is the problem: the GOP will chew up and spit out the average Joe Sixpack/Plummer as fodder with a callous disregard due in part to Joe&#039;s own ignorance and lack of sophication.  At least Judith Miller and Jeff Gannon were paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So he has the money to buy a Quarter of a million dollar company but he is not going to buy it because he will pay 3% more in taxes??  He actually will lose out on $250,000 because he will pay maybe $7k more in taxes? When did middle America average JOE make $250,000 in a year!!!  He owes back taxes now, his home is ‘modest’ but he can afford a loan to buy this company?  AND does the company PROFIT $250,000 or GROSS $250,000???  If the company grosses $250,000 then with all the legal tax deductions his PROFIT is much less and he will receive the OBAMA tax break!!  IF the company PROFITS $250,000 then he SHOULD pay more taxes as the company probably grossed over $6 million.</p>
<p>This is starting to smell funny. This guy walks up from nowhere with a specfic question for the contender and then he is referenced exhaustively by the GOP and disreputable media outlets as example and photo op. If it were a thinly veiled ploy (and its starting to look that way), the level of sophistication of Ohio GOP operatives leaves much to be desired, as well as the notion that the constituancy would be unable to access or consume this bit of Theatre of the Absurd and recognize it as such. John needed a Joe Sixpack so Joe the Plummer was created, manufactured, packaged, bought and sold.</p>
<p>Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.</p>
<p>This is by no means a causal relation, but Joe is a tool, toilet paper in the GOP bathroom as he would allow himself to aggregiously used without being informed.  This is the problem: the GOP will chew up and spit out the average Joe Sixpack/Plummer as fodder with a callous disregard due in part to Joe&#8217;s own ignorance and lack of sophication.  At least Judith Miller and Jeff Gannon were paid.</p>
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